A question for Oppo on vehicle mods

"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94) 02/24/2016 at 09:00 • Filed to: None

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***Note: I am not looking for advice in this post, I’m just genuinely curious as to where y’all draw the line. My mods are happening regardless.***

We’ve all seen many post on oppo about how mods don’t increase but rather decrease the value of a vehicle, and for the most part I agree with them. However, there are cases where the manufacturer cut a corner, or made some ridiculous decision, where I’d argue an aftermarket fix is either valuable or at least doesn’t hurt the value of the vehicle.

For example: I plan to turn my truck into what GM should have made it in the first place.

- I plan to swap the stock muffler for a Borla, which is actually one of the quietest aftermarket mufflers you can buy. It’s not a lot louder than stock in most cases, but it’ll give you the noise when you rug it and it actually flows better than a straight pipe. So basically what I’m going for here is a good flowing, good sounding muffler that’s not obnoxious until I want it to be.

- I’ve added a sway bar. The “sport truck” models had them, the rest didn’t—why should they get all the fun? Easily accessible so I can undo the links if I want to do more extreme off roading.

- Spray in bedliner to replace the terrible OEM drop in unit. As a bonus, that means the bed cover will actually fit properly—the drop in liner covers the front bed rail but not the sides, so it doesn’t seal properly.

- Replace 1-2 and 3-4 servos with Corvette servos or better.

- Tune engine and transmission to remove as much artificial electronic throttle lag as possible and make the transmission a little less dim-witted. Of course a little more power will be aquired along the way.

- If and when the 4L60E shits the bed (“if” because these things are incredibly unpredictable. They could handle 450hp for years, or they could handle a gnat’s fart over stock for 3 weeks) I intend to build it into a 4L65E, 70E or better.

- Smoke the chrome.

- Eventually, reupholster the interior in ACTUAL leather instead of vinyl, working in some extra bolstering while I’m at it. Same colour, same look, but nicer to sit in.

Basically what I’m going for is very subtle stuff that will add up. This truck will be neither raised or lowered. It will get more agressive tires, but they’re going on stock rims. I’d love to swap a T56 in, but that’s not a subtle change and whether that happens or not it has no place in this discussion.

Other examples of this kind of modding would be retrofitting a normal fuel injection system on a spider injector equipped GM vehicle, building a durable transmission for a 90's Ford Taurus (or anything else that had the same transmission), and so on.

So oppo, what do you think? Do mods of this nature, as far as you’re concerned:

- Lower the value because the vehicle is no longer stock?

- Raise the value because the vehicle now behaves the way it should have in the first place?

- Maintains it’s value because of a blend of the first two options?

Feel free to show off your own mods for a public opinion :)

GMart > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:05

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I have never once done a true modification with any eye towards its effect on eventual resale value. Modifications are for my personal gratification, either to make the car more enjoyable or more functional. That said, I drive cars that have no inherent desirability on the market, so that probably makes my choice less impactful.

Tripper > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:07

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I think most of those mods will not affect the value of the vehicle. However the interior (done nicely) I think will slightly increase the value. It will at the very least make the truck an easy sell if you ever decided to. Something about an old car with a well kept interior makes me think that someone cares/cared.

qbeezy > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:08

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Mods usually lower the value of the vehicle. But if you’re not in it for resale, do all you want man. It’s a free country! Go ham sandwich Mayne!

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:09

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For the most part, doing anything with the ECU would dissaude me altogether. I’m not saying I wouldn’t do it, but I am saying I wouldn’t trust someone I’m buying a used car from.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > GMart 02/24/2016 at 09:09

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Like I said, the answers here are not to make me decide whether or not to do the mods. I’m just interested in whether oppo’s would expect to pay more, less or the same as stock it they were looking at a vehicle with these kinds of mods.

Personally I’d pay a little more if they were done right.

spanfucker retire bitch > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:12

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I think one of the few “performance” mods that - in my opinion at least - might raise the value of a car is a (well done, and properly installed) aftermarket cooling system. Even if you don’t do a damn thing to the ECU or something, a larger, better cooling system (like an intercooler for a turbo car) can add longevity to an engine and keep it from heat soaking.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > qbeezy 02/24/2016 at 09:13

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Obviously I’m not totally unconcerned with resale, but I’m not doing these for resale. It’s worth it to me to have these things even if I do take a hit later. Actually, just the MPG increases from a better muffler and a tune will pay for a good chunk of it fairly quickly. That coupled with the fact that I’m in something reasonably rare means resale is almost a non-issue.

I’m just interested in others views on what they would expect to PAY, were they looking at something like this today.

OPPOsaurus WRX > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:13

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you clearly havn’t added enough downforce bro

GMart > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:14

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I skimmed, this is what I get. :)

I would think that in the general world of private party sales, the modifications are going to have no effect on the value of the car. The car (truck) is the car is the car, and it’s worth whatever the book says it’s worth.

If you’re selling within an enthusiast community, you’ll get a split - people who like what you’ve done may pay more to not have to do those things themselves, those who want different are going to offer less to make up for redoing everything.

If it was me buying something specific as an enthusiast, I would consider the purchase of a modified car that has things I prefer done already and would also consider an increased offer.

My citroen won't start > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:14

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I don’t like modifications, and not because of resale value. I just think the manufacturer knows best. If you think the car should have better or different characteristics, you got the wrong car. The only thing I’m ok with is OEM period correct optionals or parts.

I wouldn’t touch a used modified car (even if it just had aftermarket wheels) with a 10 foot barge pole, because there is no way of knowing what other tasteless shit the previous owner did to it. After-market wheels are, for me, a tell-tale sign of “This car wasn’t serviced at a certified dealer”.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/24/2016 at 09:14

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That’s fair enough. And a good argument for keeping the engine in it’s stock form as much as possible, so the ECU can simply be flashed back to the stock tune.

TOO BAD THO :):):)

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:15

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Similarly, I’m not sure what a reversible ECU re-flash would do to resale value. I do want to keep the car as long as I can though, and I really want a 250,000 km mileage badge, which is only 155,000 miles. And I'm just over half way there!

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > OPPOsaurus WRX 02/24/2016 at 09:16

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See, now THAT’S the kind of mod that slashes $5000 off immediately.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > GMart 02/24/2016 at 09:17

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That makes sense.

wiffleballtony > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:17

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If resale value is a priority then mods don’t really add anything. In some cases they can take away value because people call into question the quality of the work. In the case of an exhaust or sway bar, there isn’t much to go wrong so that’s nothing to worry about.

Personally, I couldnt care less about resale, and I plan on keeping my car forever. So I will make mods that improve my enjoyment of the vehicle.

Cash Rewards > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:18

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The only time I understand a mod might increase value is if it solves a known, notorious, understood problem with a car. Think Porsche ims bearing sort of thing, where my mod saves your from inevitably having to do it yourself.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:23

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If this was a Supercar or newer luxury car I would say not worth it, but I see doing tgose to your truck more in the “muscle car restomod” line of thinking If it’sworth it to you, it’s not going to kill you in the long run.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > My citroen won't start 02/24/2016 at 09:25

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The thing is though, the manufacturer doesn’t know YOU. (Which, I’ll admit, is why most mods decrease value.) This means they have to compromise, which means there is room to improve it to better suit you. However, I’m talking exactly about that... obviously it’s going to suit me better at the end of this, but what I’m looking at is fixing cut corners. In the end, I’m going to end up with a compromise that is better than the factory compromise, in that it’s more driveable and with a transmission that won’t shit the bed.

Not to mention that in THIS case we’re talking about GM... they do many clever and awesome things but they rarely end up on the same vehicle.

But like I said, I wasn’t looking for advice—I was interested to hear opinions, and I can see exactly where you’re coming from. Thanks for the reply :)

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > spanfucker retire bitch 02/24/2016 at 09:26

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Makes sense. I have to say, I was considering a trans cooler and an electric rad fan, but I don’t think they’re in the budget this year.

BJ > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:28

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If the ECU tune can be reflashed or disabled or unplugged, I think it’s fine. The tunes you can get for VW all seem to have a stock mode, which I like.

If it’s irreversible, I wouldn’t want to be the guinea pig.

My citroen won't start > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:28

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Oh sure, I wasn’t giving advice, I just said what I think. And I understand the side of wanting to improve a car to your own taste, it is just something I wouldn’t do. Some company spent billions developing the car, my $500 modification might not be the best idea.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/24/2016 at 09:30

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Yeah... even though supercars don’t really interest me much, modifying a Ferrari would be idiotic as far as I’m concerned (#1 it’s not a compromised vehicle, it’s single purpose already, #2 it spoils the magic afaic), unless you go balls-out crazy with it. That I can get behind.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches 02/24/2016 at 09:31

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Yeah, it’s when you start getting into a retune because you HAD to, because you changed internals, that it would cut into it in my books.

BJ > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:33

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Most of your mods seem very reasonable. The interior reuphoslster could add some value, the rest will have little or no added commercial value. But they’ll likely make the vehicle more pleasant for you to own and drive. And that’s the point, right?

I’m slowly modding a 4Runner for off-road ability and my focus is functionality. Very few esthetic mods will be done. And I really don’t care much what happens to the resale value as long as I enjoy the truck while I own it.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:33

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Yeah exactly. Even my LS400 that will never be sold (even the gf loves that car) is not getting touched. The only things we’ve done modification wise on the car are firmer struts, 17" wheels off a LS430, and we upped the front disc soze by an inch.so even thr mods we have done were stock-ish. American cars have tendency to not be “finished” from the factory imo. This is where you come in to make it all perfect.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > wiffleballtony 02/24/2016 at 09:33

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It’s not. It’s a nice bonus when/if I finally do get rid of it, but tbh even the MPG increase from the exhaust and tune should make that up by that point.

I’m just interested in oppo’s opinions.

qbeezy > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:34

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Honestly, I would not pay as much with a ECU and tranny tune. Only because I haven’t seen one that offers a warranty. And most tunes shorten the life of the drive train. And the argument could be had that it actually helps more, but I don’t trust people, and almost every consumer is concerned with is theit warrantable. All the other things I’ve seen installed at dealers and they mark them up and sale like hotcakes. But the tune, as a consumer, I would pass on.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Cash Rewards 02/24/2016 at 09:35

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Or upgrading a Pontiac 3.4 head gasket, retrofitting a ‘92 Caprice with something other than Optispark... I’ll get behind that.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > BJ 02/24/2016 at 09:36

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For example, cam swap that requires the tune. Better cross that off my list of plans. Nah, fuck it.

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:37

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As items go on the car I will replace them with upgraded parts; intercooler pump, transmission internals. I’m not sure how I’m gong to justify a carbon fiber air box though...

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > qbeezy 02/24/2016 at 09:39

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That’s fair. Like I said the trans here is unpredictable. The tranny could already be on its way out and the tune could hasten the death, or it could be OK still and the firmer shifts could actually lengthen the life. You never know until it happens. I can understand not wanting to be the victim of someone else’s gamble.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/24/2016 at 09:41

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Exactly. Although in my own case I’m going to turn it into a more finely honed compromise instead of something focused.

Gone > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:44

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If I know the person selling a car, then that’s all fine. If you’re just some dude, then it looks more like:

Muffler - Borla is fine quality-wise, but where I start to question what other changes are done

Sway-bar - I like, not paying extra for, but this is good

Spray in liner - I will pay extra for it if it’s not crap and is in good shape over a non-lined bed. Not a lot, but some.

Tune - nope, now I don’t trust anything. Did you run a 93 tune and put 87 in it?

Trans servo upgrades - I get this, but why’d you crack it open in the first place?

Trans upgrades/changes - You beat the shit out of this thing I bet. Who did the work? You? You probably can’t pick your nose without poking yourself in the eye, how can I trust you to touch a transmission?? XYZ shop? Okay...but again, why was it needed?

Smoked chrome - not my thing, but is it good quality-wise

Interior changes - and smoked in it and treated the inside like crap too.

As a buyer, by my perspective, I’d really question some of things. Now, as an owner, yes, I’m doing all these things for me. Which is fine, but I generally own stuff for awhile and resale all settles out as a joke more than an actual value number.

I’m more likely to buy a stock DD (wheels, swaybars, minor bolt on stuff is fine) and not care much about what’s been done to a car that is a toy - unless it’s been cut/welded all over. Than no to that too.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > BJ 02/24/2016 at 09:45

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Exactly. I’m not particularly concerned with resale, but I don’t want to do anything catastrophic to it either. That said, if that’s the price I have to pay for the vehicle I want, so be it.

The reason they seem reasonable is because I’m still aiming for a compromised, jack-of-all-trades vehicle but with GM’s rough edges sanded off and dirty laundry washed, instead of a focused vehicle.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches 02/24/2016 at 09:46

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That’s basically what I’m planning for the tranny. The servos are accessible from outside, so I can do those, but once it shits the bed it’s getting built properly.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:47

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Never mod if resale is your concern. Make it what you want it to be.

A lot of your items (throttle control, transmission control) are things I wouldn’t even mention to a buyer. What do they care? Look at it this way, I had a Forester XT. I swapped an STi rear sway bar into it. All Subaru stuff. It went from hopeless understeer to very mild understeer. In my opinion, that’s how the car should have come to begin with. It’s the ‘sport’ model. But when a buyer drives it, it feels ‘natural.’ Not their concern.

The seats, the smoke chrome, etc, that’s just sunk cost. Don’t do it unless you plan to own it for many years. For all the effort you describe, you could likely sell this truck and buy a newer one that already had many of these options. Used ‘lux’ trucks are every where.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:48

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I don’t think any of that will have any effect on the value, positive or negative. But modding cars isn’t about selling them for more or less. It’s about the preferences of the current owner.

jariten1781 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:53

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Noticeable mods lower value in the general market. Full stop. Occasionally some of the stuff you listed would be cost neutral in the general market if not noticeable and not disclosed. If, however, you’re willing to wait for a specialty buyer you can get an increase in value assuming the base is desirable enough to have folks shop outside of normal channels.

I tend to post my modded cars (which is all of them, haha) on model specific forums to see if there's any interest at or above market value then I'll remove anything that would be obvious to a general buyer before going to CL/CarMax/Trade-in. I've only managed to find buyers for two via the first route.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius 02/24/2016 at 09:57

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Not a priority, but it’s hard (and stupid) to ignore completely.

That’s exactly what I’m aiming for, how it SHOULD have been. It’ll still be a compromise, but a more “polished” one. I don’t think I’d make it a selling feature, but I wouldn’t mind telling them if they’d asked. As far as they’re concerned, it either feels right or it don’t.

Used FULL size lux trucks. You won’t find a compact/midsize V8 lux truck unless it’s been modded, or exactly what I have now. But that’s a non-issue since that’s not what I’m aiming at anyway... I’d lump the seats into the last category by the way, as the stock ones have almost no bolstering that makes the upgrade practical instead of decorative. The Smoked Chrome though... that’s for me. If/when I find a cheap way to get exactly what I want.

Ssfancyfresh > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 09:59

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What are you going to do to tune the transmission?

Genuinely curious. The only thing I didn’t like about my Colorado was the way the transmission was calibrated. It seemed obvious to me that the engineers focused on fuel economy at the cost of performance and pleasant driving.

As an example - using cruise control at highway speeds (65-75 mph) and approaching a hill, the trans would remain in 4th gear and try to dog up the hill. The truck would drop 10-15 mph before the trans would kick down to 2nd gear. Then the thing would take off. Drove me nuts. I would have rather it kicked down to 3rd much sooner and maintained a narrower speed bandwidth with cruise set.

Tohru > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 10:16

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The mods that really lower value are the ones that are super-sketchy (i.e. anything Jake did to his Buick, stuff you see on imgur.com/r/Shitty_Car_Mods ) or that limit the market because they are highly specialized for the one person that built the vehicle.

The mods you suggest won’t hurt the value if done properly, but they won’t increase it either because mods generally don’t improve the value.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Gone 02/24/2016 at 10:18

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You’re right, #4,5 and 6 are going to be the tough ones to explain. Except to another enthusiast, since you can tell them without them looking at you like you’re nuts about GM’s Torque Management, how it improves drivability, how the stock 4L60E servos actually cause more wear in the long run because they don’t hold as hard, and that it was opened by a pro because the 4L60E was really never the correct transmission to use here and how it has heavy duty parts now to make sure it doesn’t break again. And they can look up all these issues and the forums will back me up.

To your average Joe, it is going to look like “this guy thrashed it. Walk away and don’t look back”, you’re quite correct.

Smoked chrome is strictly for me.

Interior changes could go either way for me. I’d rather buy a vehicle with a nicely kept redone interior than a normally worn stock one. Especially in this truck... the stock seats are meh at best. But if you hadn’t tried another, you wouldn’t know that. WTF have these seats been replaced for!?!?! No smoke. Fastest way to devalue a vehicle is to smoke in it. Won’t buy one. Won’t smoke in mine. Won’t smoke period, actually.

Anyway like I said I here for opinions, not advice, so thanks for contributing!

nerd_racing > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 10:18

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vinyl wrap the chrome, plus its removable when you go to sell it.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig 02/24/2016 at 10:19

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You are correct, but I wanted to know what oppo thought about buying modded cars. Because opinions are interesting. My stuff is happening, regardless.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > jariten1781 02/24/2016 at 10:20

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That makes sense.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 10:22

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If I’m buying a vehicle that lightly modded, I’ll probably pretend the mods don’t exist when I’m bargaining.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Ssfancyfresh 02/24/2016 at 10:27

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To be honest, I’m not quite sure. The guy who tunes it should know better than I do. I’m thinking up line pressure a little and generally play around with it for criper shifts, probably adjust shift points a bit, see if there’s anything I can do to stop the driveline clunking when I pick up from coasting.

What engine do you have? Sometimes I’d like it to kick down sooner when I rug it, but one of my favorite things when I’m not in a hurry is the V8's ability to just grown up most hills without batting an eye. there’s just so much torque that it can hold it’s own until the trans decides to kick down. Actually, sometimes I wish it would wait longer.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Tohru 02/24/2016 at 10:29

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I loved Jakes Buick, but I wouldn’t have bought it. Just balls-out crazy kind of cool, but you look at it and the first thought is “that’s been beat”.

Ssfancyfresh > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 10:35

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Gotcha. I had the 3.5 5-cylinder.

I can see that with the V8 it wouldn’t be much of an issue. You would have more torque down low. When I owned my truck, I didn’t think it needed more power. I just felt the trans wasn’t calibrated to take advantage of the power band for that particular engine. The 5-cylinder liked to rev.

Gone > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 10:45

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I agree. And ya, the 4L60E is junk and I’d want the shifts tightened, TM programming, and servos upgraded. That’s sort of where I know the guy (or a degree or two of separation) vs not comes in. For me, it’s less of a problem than “just an enthusiast” only because I’ve seen what enthusiasts consider “good” work or modifications and a lot of times...

No. No that is not good. Not at all. Step away from the vehicle.

I tend to like cloth (although you’re coming from vinyl) because TX, man. Leather is only okay if they’re cooled (and heated because my wife is crazy).

Overall, your changes shouldn’t hurt. By that I mean if a buyer is willing to walk over a programmer, the trans doesn’t matter anyways. And if a buyer is okay with a programmer, the trans also doesn’t matter because it won’t reflect negatively. Your buyer pool has changed by shrinking volume of willing buyers, but most likely not negatively affected vehicle value (although time to sale may increase), if that makes sense. Presentation of changes/upgrades with an explanation and paperwork (#1) is always important to any buyer as well.

GL with your sale many years from now! :) LOL

jariten1781 > My citroen won't start 02/24/2016 at 10:45

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Not calling you out, I know tons of people share your perspective, but I just don't get it. That viewpoint seems unique to automobiles. Nobody gets concerned when you, say, replace your water heater's cheap plastic drain valve with a decent quarter turn copper valve or if you replace your home's electrical service with a higher amp box. Both the water heater manufacturer and the home builder used years to decades of experience and development to select a 'good enough' affordable solution just as the auto manufacturer did but it's generally recognized by the communities that care about that stuff there are compromised subcomponents with better after market solutions.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Gone 02/24/2016 at 10:55

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Yup.

Yup.

Yeah, I’m not too picky, but since cloth would be a step backward... :)

Yup.

Damn straight :)

dietryng > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 15:55

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it all depends on whether you plan to be the guy to send the truck to the great beyond. if you plan to have it forever, then market value means nothing, make it entirely your own. if you want to ever get your money back, then dont touch it.

I on the other hand dont ever expect to see a dime back out of what i drive, and its ALL the way i want.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > dietryng 02/24/2016 at 16:11

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Frankly I don’t want to DESTROY the value, but I’m not too worried about resale. My reasoning is this:

- ALL these trucks are holding value well, and the V8's especially well.

- If I put mileage on it at all I’m destroying value anyway.

- The muffler and tune should increase MPG enough to make up for it by the time I want to get rid of it.

- My truck will basically appeal to enthusiasts only anyway, so it won’t cut the value as much as it should.

- The amount of money I save having a not-quite-what-I-want truck isn’t worth it to me.

Of course this applies strictly to me. Like I said this is ON, and I was just interested to see what oppo thought. Thanks for contributing!

dietryng > dietryng 02/24/2016 at 16:28

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so what i have, is a 81 truck cab on a k5 blazer frame,cut down stepside bed, flat push bumper, on short 295 59 15 tires, it has a 50 gallon gas tank in the bed, 3 inch exhaust that stops about a foot past the cab.

wont ever be worth much, but its something to me.

dietryng > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/24/2016 at 16:36

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but the most important part, is that you will be making it your own.